“From my perspective, research-intensive learning should include a strong element of learning through the methodology and practices of research – learning the hard way! That not only means giving our students opportunities to do original research - but it could also involve teaching them the real story of how research results are obtained, not just what the results were. There are many skills and attributes relevant to that real story which include the original creativity and vision, planning, problem-solving, obtaining and recording new data and information, logical deduction and analysis, teamwork and team management, patience and determination, technical skills knowledge and methodology, dealing with the reality of imperfect data, hypothesis testing and verification, coping with frustrated ambitions and off-putting reviews, good communication, recognising what is good and what is spurious….When Sir Paul Nurse gave a talk to graduate students here recently he described the real story of how his Nobel prize winning results were obtained – far more interesting and educational than the results themselves which have been superseded 30 years later!”