Isabelle Hertner continued the conversation on the left-wing of German politics, discussing the difficulties faced by the SPD. She posited that the SPD is trapped within its centre-left ideological stance, as Die Linke takes up ideological space further to the left whilst the centre right of German politics was represented in the 1990s by the Christian Democratic Union of Germany (CDU). In contrast, Hertner suggested that, within the UK, the case for Labour moving leftward was easier to make, with a lack of strong left-wing presence since the New Labour shift to the centre of British politics in the 1990s. This discussion concluded with the issues that the Left faces in the UK and Germany, including the economic competence of left-leaning policies in the current neo-liberal climate, the role of the state within a successful government, and how to win back disillusioned voters who have shifted to the far right.